| Dazzricles |
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Can somone tell me why the worlds biggest sporting event, one that costs the host nation not millions, but billions to host is ran by an unelected quango of people?.
One that somehow has bin given the right to "own" the Olypics?. Unbelievable amounts of money are paid to the IOC for tv rights..these are owned by the ioc..not the host nation. Resendents effected by the construction of Olypmpic facilities have compulsery purchase orders made on there homes and the public at large is hoodwinked into believing that somehow the sacrifices are for the good of the nation.
Ask the residents of Barcalona and Sydney how they feel...there still paying the dept. The fact is that the Olympics have become an enormous "cash cow" for multinational corperations ever since the Los Angeles games of 84 showed a profit could be made. A profit largely made at the cost of tax payers of host nations.
There are non so blind as those that will not see.
| colnagodram |
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| 24/08/2008 15:56 |
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My opinion
:- have the games in Athens every time 
, save this farce with the Olympic torch every four years 
. Can Britain afford these games?? 
| El_Cid |
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| 24/08/2008 15:59 |
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I don't mind a bit of my tax going towards the Olympics.
Hopefully changes and developments made will benefit alot of people and that the inconvenienced or displaced will be properly compensated.
Regarding your question of "Why". Why not, somebody might as well do it. If you want to change or improve things, put yourself forward, get involved. Dont just belly ache from the sidelines, like Citizen Smith but without his aptitude for spelling.
| cheninblancrcruise63 |
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| 24/08/2008 16:02 |
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Hear, hear!!
Thought it was appalling that they were not awarded '96 games because Coca Cola wanted them in its home town for the centenary games! Showed exactly what IOC are motivated by - $$$$$! 'Stronger, Faster, Higher' -as Jim Royle might say 'My a**e'!
| bfergie |
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| 24/08/2008 16:28 |
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I think holding it in Athens every time is a great idea, the Greeks might not agree but using the same venue every time has to make economic and environmental sense! I think it's a now just a competition to see which country can waste the most money!
| Dazzricles |
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| 24/08/2008 16:37 |
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To El Cid...yeh, my spellings crap. You may not mind how your tax`s are spent, but you fail to take up the point that past Olympics have NOT, in the long term , benifited the ordinary people of a host nation and that for all the "inspirational" qualities attributed to this four yearly spectacle our kids our geting fatter and playing fields are still closing. As for citizen Smith?..as with the character im not deluded that we, or any one else on this planet lives in true democracy.
| bigoldsideofham |
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| 24/08/2008 16:44 |
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Id rather give it to a major event like the olympics that inspire and encourage people to get off of their arses and do something than buy needles for junkies, lung transplants for smokers, accomodation for lazy buggers who cant be bothered to earn for themselves and t.v's and expensive educational programs for prisoners. Personally id slash expenditure in most of these areas and scrub it all together in others and happily watch my tax dissappear into new stadiums and urban regeneration.
| Dazzricles |
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| 24/08/2008 17:06 |
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While sat here on my lap top BBC 1 is showing the Olypic handover from Trafalger Sqare. How ironic that Mc Fly just sang "London Calling"...poor old Joe Strummer would be turning in his grave.
Check the lyrics :http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/London-Calling-lyrics-The-Clash/94EEBE0A78C8DC9E482568AB00303277
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| 24/08/2008 18:07 |
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It was nice to see Victoria training for the next London AlleyCat race though.
| MsTree |
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| 24/08/2008 19:26 |
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BTW El Cid was that your daughter who came 8th in the Rhythmic gymnastics yesterday?
I bet we'll still have to pay for tickets even though they are taking the money out of my council tax already (without asking!) As for that logo...don't go there.
| cheninblancrcruise63 |
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| 25/08/2008 10:45 |
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Id rather give it to a major event like the olympics that inspire and encourage people to get off of their arses and do something than buy needles for junkies, lung transplants for smokers, accomodation for lazy buggers who cant be bothered to earn for themselves and t.v's and expensive educational programs for prisoners. Personally id slash expenditure in most of these areas and scrub it all together in others and happily watch my tax dissappear into new stadiums and urban regeneration.
How do you feel about providing wheelchairs for cripples - we could save ourselves a fortune there! Start thinking BOSH and stop quoting the Daily Mail!!
PS If you really want to divert some serious money into sports take it away from a seriously over invested area of the economy - the military
| bfergie |
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| 25/08/2008 11:01 |
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I think comparing people in wheelchairs is completely different than all bigold quoted above since we could all end up in a wheelchair from a crash, I know a lad who has from a mtn bike fall and it's not his choice to be crippled. Junkies, smokers, lazy buggers,prisoners have a choice and made the wrong choice, no one can force you to take drugs,smoke,break the law etc, no one has ever approached me with drugs, I would go mad if they did, probably local dealers can tell who to approach but if I am not approachable, surely others can be also, "no" is a little word that means so much!
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| 25/08/2008 11:12 |
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Personally id slash expenditure in most of these areas and scrub it all together in others and happily watch my tax dissappear into new stadiums and urban regeneration.
Of course, there would have to be a ministerial post created (jobs for the boys)to decide where and how this money is re-deployed. This minister would then need his own entourage of people; secretaries etc.
I think you've just created a new job for someone, and his buddies who will undoubtably, with a few handshakes, make as much money as he/she/they can from the venture, get themselves a nice second home in the country, a luxury car and a handy pension. Taxes eh? Be careful what you wish for.
| El_Cid |
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| 25/08/2008 11:31 |
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In our lovely country we provide free education, free health care, a home if you are homeless, if you have nothing then the basics of life are provided free of charge, along with people employed to help and support you, if you will take it.
If you for some reason don't bother to utlise your free education, maybe you go off the rails or simply can't be arsed. Guess what, you can be educated again for free as an adult, to help you get yourself sorted.
Surely this is a fantastic society to live in.
Also you are absolutely free to get involved in the running of the country and decision making. Join the political party of your choice, stand for council election, become an MP - its not difficult to get involved.
To have all this should be enough for any work shy trot, or for that matter any raving nazi looney.
Surely people who abuse this offer, or do not take full advantage of the opportunities provided to them do not deserve to be pandered to further.
Although I realise there will be waste and there is a very real chance of us making a mess of the Olympics, I really hope its great and a big success and worth every penny.
It would be great not to have to spend any money at all on arms or military, sadly the World situation means that this is not going to happen in the foreseeable future. As to making the right or wrong decisions on how and when to use our military, its easy for armchair politicians to dictate from in front of the TV, but more difficult for the people in the hot seat.
Tony Blair, a sometime socialist and definitely not a natural war monger still went into Iraq. It will be interesting to ask him in 15 years - right or wrong decision Tony? But a decision had to be made. And we selected Mr Blair and paid him to make these decisions for us.
Talking about the military, lets get some of the offenders out of prison and into service instead.
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| 25/08/2008 12:08 |
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Like we did with the Tour depart last year? I look forward to an Olympic mess of which we can be mightily proud.
| cheninblancrcruise63 |
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| 25/08/2008 12:51 |
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Tony Blair, a sometime socialist and definitely not a natural war monger
History would indicate you are wrong on both counts
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But a decision had to be made. And we selected Mr Blair and paid him to make these decisions for us.
At which point he very decisively let GWB make the decision for us!
As for the cost of the Olympics - why do we have to build a brand new velodrome in London - do we not already have a world class venue of this type in Manchester???
| bigoldsideofham |
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| 25/08/2008 13:17 |
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Id rather give it to a major event like the olympics that inspire and encourage people to get off of their arses and do something than buy needles for junkies, lung transplants for smokers, accomodation for lazy buggers who cant be bothered to earn for themselves and t.v's and expensive educational programs for prisoners. Personally id slash expenditure in most of these areas and scrub it all together in others and happily watch my tax dissappear into new stadiums and urban regeneration.
How do you feel about providing wheelchairs for cripples - we could save ourselves a fortune there! Start thinking BOSH and stop quoting the Daily Mail!!
PS If you really want to divert some serious money into sports take it away from a seriously over invested area of the economy - the military
Reactionary foolishness. Bfergie has already covered the very distinct differences - ie some choose to be a drain, these should be disowned so that the truely deserving can be properly looked after. I do not read a paper as i see more than enough 'real life' on a day to day basis. In my opinion the military are hugely underfunded and wait behind the leaches for vital operations to treat injuries sustained fighting to uphold others rites. People like you get squeemish about what needs to be done to protect other peoples liberites but are the first to whinge when theirs are infringed. You are blind to the truth of the abuses of the real workers(and therefor funders) of this country. You will no doubt attempt to twist my words to fit your stereotyping of me into the 'hard line' or nationalist grouping to help you sleep at night but this is simply not true.
| cheninblancrcruise63 |
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| 25/08/2008 13:54 |
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In our lovely country we provide free education, free health care, a home if you are homeless, if you have nothing then the basics of life are provided free of charge, along with people employed to help and support you, if you will take it.
If you for some reason don't bother to utlise your free education, maybe you go off the rails or simply can't be arsed. Guess what, you can be educated again for free as an adult, to help you get yourself sorted.
Surely this is a fantastic society to live in.
I could not agree more Cid - what I object to is the ill-informed (non-newspaper readers??) automatically assuming that all of those people taking advantage of what we, as a civilised society, choose to put in place to support others are work-shy criminal scroungers. Nothing is ever that straightforward. True, some are but not all.
It is a similar argument to the 'immigrant' scare that all immigrants are only coming here to claim benefits - in my experience the opposite is true - they work their socks off to make a new life and make a significant positive contribution to our racist society under very difficult circumstances.
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| 25/08/2008 14:30 |
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Immigrants? When were they mentioned? Im one myself - a scotsman in the south.
Racist Britain - first to abandon slavery and fight it and provide equal rites for all. Im the ill informed one eh? ha ha ha ha ha!
Well as you seem to wish to defend the lazy and useless ill leave you to it, bit its just as well that everyone doesnt just drop to their backsides and do nothing. If we did the leaches would run out of tobbacco and white lightening money. I just wouldnt be able to live with myself if that happened.
Enjoy the rest of your bank holiday (designed as a pleasant break for the workers).
| cheninblancrcruise63 |
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| 25/08/2008 14:35 |
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Enjoy the rest of your bank holiday (designed as a pleasant break for the workers).
Agree to disagree
Have a good one yourself
| Dazzricles |
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| 25/08/2008 15:23 |
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Talk about go of on tangents!...the point i posted was regards the IOC being unelected, therefore unacountable.
Tv rights go to the ioc, not the host nation were theres little doupt they`d go an awfull long way to ofsetting the cost of puting the games on.So were do they go?.
The Olympics has become the modern aquivalent of the Gladatorial Battles of the Roman Collusium and for those who`d like to check there history they were put on to pacify and distract the people from the real issues effecting peoples lives at a time when public interest in the politics of Rome was at an all time low due to there corruption.
Sound familier?.
"your" elected goverement has less than a quarter of the people voting for it, so dont quote democracy when the majority dont vote because in truth, to quote Roy Harper, "...now that theres no one left to vote for, and theres very rarely been..."
| cheninblancrcruise63 |
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| 25/08/2008 15:33 |
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Talk about go of on tangents
We're famous for doing that!!
| bfergie |
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| 25/08/2008 15:58 |
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Im one myself - a scotsman in the south
Oh you traitor, on your next return to your homeland you shall be tied to a tree at loch ness left to the wrath of the midge!
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| 25/08/2008 16:15 |
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bah humbug! waht would scrooge have to say about the games coming to London.Where's Dickens now when we need him for an edcuated opinion.
God we need the Olympics every 4 years even just as a distraction from the rain and inclement weather.
Thinking back to the openeing cermoney and how the Chinese had the girl with the nicer teeth miming to the voice of an older girl. how about Shane McGowan to sing the opening song in 2012..
Having London Calling playing yesterday is a bit like when Reagan adopted Born in the USA as his election theme tune.
There should be a law against the misuse of good songs for such occosions.
| Dazzricles |
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| 25/08/2008 16:54 |
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Perhaps Ralf McTells, "The Streets of London" might have bin more honest!..lol.
You might want to add U2`s "Beautifull Day" currently being used by Obahma on his election campaign to the list of missued songs. Having said that Bono sold his soul to Satan a few yrs ago and is well and truely an establishment figure along with his old pal Geldof.
Guy Fawkes had the right idea!
| bigoldsideofham |
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| 25/08/2008 18:01 |
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Im a true pure blood bfergie - immune to midges!!!!! ( apart from when they get the back of my knees - im still human)
| Dazzricles |
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| 25/08/2008 18:24 |
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Who`s in charge of Olympic Organising Commitee?
Hein Vubbrugen Check , former heasd of the UCI under ivestigation. Check this Link.
link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7525072.stm
Theres Non so blind as those that will not see.
| wuverley |
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| 25/08/2008 20:55 |
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Did I miss the row?
Damn.
Of course you know that you are all correct, Bigold, El Cid and rcruise. It's just a matter of the way we see the world around us, if I may be so bold.
(Try and stop me commenting!)
| cheninblancrcruise63 |
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| 25/08/2008 21:18 |
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Of course you know that you are all correct, Bigold, El Cid and rcruise. It's just a matter of the way we see the world around us, if I may be so bold.
(Try and stop me commenting!)
I feel the love, wuv - you old hippy
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| 25/08/2008 21:33 |
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As for the cost of the Olympics - why do we have to build a brand new velodrome in London - do we not already have a world class venue of this type in Manchester???
Yes, so why not have a similar world class facility that we in the south can enjoy? We don't all want to pollute the environment by driving 4 hours each way to Manchester.
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| 25/08/2008 21:39 |
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And soon one in Glasgow as well, 3 shared between 55 million folk or so, Ah we wont have to queue too long to get in, like a gym in january!
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| 26/08/2008 00:31 |
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And Newport, the Welsh have a good velodrome, I believe.
Isn't Edinburgh on the cards for a velodrome as well?
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| 26/08/2008 00:38 |
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Not that old, and not really a hippy.
Liberals, Marxists and reactionaries, feel the love of the world, become an anarcho-syndicalist, you have nothing to loose but your preconceptions.
blah, blah, blah
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| 26/08/2008 00:40 |
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It has one they want to take away, shame, I think it was used in the commonwelth games in the 80s, Chris Hoy was wanting to save it.
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| 26/08/2008 00:42 |
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Liberals, Marxists and reactionaries, feel the love of the world, become an anarcho-syndicalist, you have nothing to loose but your preconceptions.
I feel so dull, being plain old Pisces!
| wuverley |
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| 26/08/2008 00:51 |
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Sorry, back to the cycling. I thought the Edinburgh track was about to be replaced with, possibly a Chris Hoy stadium?
I think I read about it in the comic somewhere. Possibly it was meant to be part of an Olympic training stategy.
Anyway, is there any progress on the Chris Hoy, Duke of Edinburgh front, or will we have to settle with an OBE?
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| 26/08/2008 00:55 |
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Replaced but the new one will be in Glasgow, I am sure we should have both but money is as always the problem!! I think Chris Hoy already has an mbe or obe, not sure which.
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| 26/08/2008 12:09 |
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I believe the velodrome in Edinburgh was built for the Commonwealth games in the 70s and will be replaced by the new one in Glasgow. Apart from that the only other 'velodrome' in Scotland is the concrete track in Dundee
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| 26/08/2008 15:52 |
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Its going to be built in London, alongside the BMX track. It will seat 6000 and remain once the olympics has finished.
According to one of todays daily red-tops (The Star I think)
| Dazzricles |
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| 27/08/2008 23:57 |
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Current and 2 recent IOC presidents.
Nice people eh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Antonio_Samaranch#Biography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Rogge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brundage#Biography
| wuverley |
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| 28/08/2008 00:17 |
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Whats wrong with Jacques Rogge? Seems a reasonable bloke to me.
| Dazzricles |
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| 28/08/2008 00:39 |
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Yeh, hes a delight aint he?..Showed a real concern re the Chineaze Internet cencership and human rights abbuse`s didnt he.
Sapose the others were "in the past".so dont count...well take a look at some other heads of ioc and you soon realise hes a just a cleaner figurehead.
Is there any limit to whats acceptable before the IOC over oversteps the mark or is it a case of the end justifies the means?
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| 28/08/2008 00:55 |
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Its good to hear strong opinions sometimes (always actually). I don't give a fig what China does about the internet to visiting journalists.
As to human rights abuses, there are plenty in China, I would be amazed if watching people running or cycling in races would stop anyone who cares from remembering this.
Jacques Rogge still seems like a reasonable person.
As to the make up of the IOC board, your original point, that's up to the people on the national Olympic committees essentially, they make up their own rules, surely.
Of course if no one likes what they do, then we can all stop watching.
We might get more Celebrity Dancing on the telly instead, great
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| 28/08/2008 10:33 |
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Leaders are never popular although i see your point. Fair comment about the greeks though! 2 games in a row - very naughty!