Dazzricles
Reged: 24/08/2008
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During my time as a Proffesional i came to realise that the " crime" of drug use was not about using them, it was getting caught. I personaly witnesed riders inject themselves on several occasions, both banned substances and boosters such as clucose and certain vitamins. I also witnessed the collusion of race promoters in covering things up. In one international race I took part there was suspition that regards one riders sample giving (the sample was in fact provided by the teams manager). The organisers answer?...take the majority of the team out of the remainder of the race and say no more. Why?...because there was a clause in the race sponsors contract that should a rider test possitive they would withdraw there support.
Only a little searching on the net shows that the top athletes have a ready access to as yet undetectable variations of EPO and numerous admissions by the Medics in charge of doping control that there failing to catch the majority of users. Any one who cares to look back at many of the "greats" of the past will find that at one point or another many (perhaps most) have , at some point failed medical control. There is and only has ever been one answer to drug missuse. That is a media "suspnsion" of coverage of any event were a positive test occurs. No publicity removes the pay packet and removes the incentive. It wont happen of course. Incidently i know as a matter of fact of one "backroom" staff in the current top echelon of British Cycling who was a reguler abuser, as im sure other members of the staff are fully aware of.
Why no names?...I cant risk the libal charges!
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eric09
Reged: 14/11/2007
Posts: 376
Loc: Doc Fuentes' lab
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were you a continental pro and if so was the problem only on the continent or was it everywhere i.e. Britain?
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Dazzricles
Reged: 24/08/2008
Posts: 153
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Both...and please be aware I am NOT singleing out cycling, niether am I particularly standing in judgement on the athletes.
The public at large plays its part in pandering to the hype of a media that constantly asks for biger/ faster/ stronger of its sportsmen and asks them to do so on an unhealthely reguler bassis.
There is a lot of truth in the saying that healthy sport ends where compettive sport begins.
In the final anylisis top athlets are pawns...often willing, and equaly often unwiting in a charade thats primery roll is product and/or political properganda promotion.
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Troy
Reged: 09/11/2006
Posts: 98
Loc: S Lakes
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Were you at the Olympics in LA?
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El_Cid
Reged: 02/08/2007
Posts: 871
Loc: Ilkley, Yorks
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Re-backroom druggie.
Dazzricles - English or Aussie ?!?
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eric09
Reged: 14/11/2007
Posts: 376
Loc: Doc Fuentes' lab
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did you dope? I understand if you don't want to answer, it is a personal question. When were you a pro?
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Dazzricles
Reged: 24/08/2008
Posts: 153
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El Cid...i think you know the answer to that one.
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Dazzricles
Reged: 24/08/2008
Posts: 153
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eric ...NO...though on two occasions i was given a tablet that promoted the realease of calories and could, in large quantities prove possitive. I also had two injections of rather large quantaties of vitamins administerd by people i now realise had no business doing so. I all cases this was while competing in Gb colours.
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El_Cid
Reged: 02/08/2007
Posts: 871
Loc: Ilkley, Yorks
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Just a stab in the dark, Dazzricles.
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Dazzricles
Reged: 24/08/2008
Posts: 153
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Sounded like an "educated guess" or is was it a hunch?
Like i said..you KNOW the answer!
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bfergie
Reged: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1619
Loc: Wickerman land,Scotland
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Fantastic to hear what no one outside the pro side of the sport could ever say for sure, I feel we are very lucky to have your opinions and insight added to the forum..thank you.I hope you realise that any pro convictions from now on your opinion will be seeked out plus how good are you at the "spot the cheat game" which I suggest as a new aspect of the race predictions page.
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le_petit_grimpeur
Reged: 29/05/2008
Posts: 74
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eric ...NO...though on two occasions i was given a tablet that promoted the realease of calories and could, in large quantities prove possitive. I also had two injections of rather large quantaties of vitamins administerd by people i now realise had no business doing so. I all cases this was while competing in Gb colours.
Striadyne by any chance?
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Dazzricles
Reged: 24/08/2008
Posts: 153
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Yes..thats the one.
The first time was in stage race in France...approximatly 10 mile TT stage. I won by just over 1 minute from a Dutch rider who went on to a short but exstremly high standard Pro Career.
Edited by Dazzricles (26/08/2008 17:20)
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le_petit_grimpeur
Reged: 29/05/2008
Posts: 74
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Yes..thats the one.
The first time was in stage race in France...approximatly 10 mile TT stage. I won by just over 1 minute from a Dutch rider who went on to a short but exstremly high standard Pro Career.
...and always warm the vitamin ampoules first before breaking the seal and injecting,or it stings like hell.
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wuverley
Reged: 16/05/2008
Posts: 1490
Loc: Man of Kent
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Welcome back le petit grimpeur.
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scm
Reged: 24/06/2006
Posts: 1229
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Incidently i know as a matter of fact of one "backroom" staff in the current top echelon of British Cycling who was a reguler abuser, as im sure other members of the staff are fully aware of.
Why no names?...I cant risk the libal charges!
It's not libel if it's a fact, surely?
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le_petit_grimpeur
Reged: 29/05/2008
Posts: 74
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Was the Dutchmen by any chance Leo Van Vliet?
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Dazzricles
Reged: 24/08/2008
Posts: 153
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Yes he was.
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winegoblin
Reged: 31/03/2007
Posts: 1058
Loc: down yur me anzum
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It's not libel if it's a fact, surely?
Would it be libel if it was an 'unproven fact'?; but then again, would an 'unproven fact' actually be not a fact at all? 
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Cacophony
Reged: 19/02/2008
Posts: 259
Loc: YORKSHIRE
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Very interesting thread this, we all seem to know who, what, how, where but are all afraid to name names. This is the very problem that is the millstone around cycling`s (and other sports) neck. Are we waiting for the (`in-) `famous` to die before we can really admit the problem? Is a case of `waiting for the First World War veterans to die before admitting the atrocities on both sides to save face and embarrassment?
This is such a loaded subject that there is no `easy way out`. People will be shocked by who did `it` but can we say "that was of the time ... lets wash it and move on???"
I think not! But should we?????????
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